This logical progression has a fault, though: the newly adopted series synopsis is a breeding ground for plot holes and Timecop-esque moments that suggest certain people watched way too much Back to the Future Part II and fell asleep when their physics professor discussed the theoretical possibility of time travel. This is not to say that the writers of Lost have achieved Timecop status (since two objects can't occupy the same space at the same time, that must mean you can't come in physical contact with yourself at any point in time!), but more to point out that the ice here is very thin, and they have 29 episodes left to stop themselves from falling in.
The following are cracks in that ice, as I've observed from the first three episodes of Season 5. Being that this is a show where plot direction comes slightly before establishing in-universe rules and way before following them, it's possible that all of these riddles will be solved in no time. As they are now, though, they are not mysteries, but plot holes.
1) When Faraday finds Desmond in the Swan Station, it pinpoints their temporal location within sixteen days. We come to this conclusion by keeping in mind that Desmond was not alone on the island for three years, but exactly forty days. It's irrefutably revealed in "Live Together, Die Alone" that, after nearly three years of living with Kelvin, it was September 22, 2004 (the day of the crash) that Desmond began paying both halves of the rent, so to speak. Not only does Kelvin's death coincide with the plane crash, but it is actually indirectly responsible for it.
From that day, until the day Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley blow the containment hatch off the Swan Station, Desmond is alone. That gives us a window of forty days in which Faraday could have visited Desmond. Someone may ask, "Hey, who says he was alone when Faraday visited him?", and to that I respond, "The writers of the show, when they had him answer the door by himself and ask Faraday if he was Desmond's replacement." If this ends up being a plot hole, claiming that Kelvin was away on a walkabout or something would be an implausible explanation.
We trim forty days down to sixteen by remembering that Locke and Boone discovered the containment hatch sixteen days after arriving on the island (October 7, 2004). Based on the burial conditions when Juliette finds it, it's clear the Locke and Boone have not begun their work. This pits Juliette, Faraday, and the rest of the Doctor Who Crew between September 22 and October 7, 2004.
In that two-week period, a rather large group of people occupied the area of the island in which they were traversing- the crash survivors. So, there is an island beach camp, a shit ton of plane wreckage (the majority of it was taken away by the tide on day 21- October 12, 2004), and possibly a bunch of people living in nearby caves. The chances of the Marty McFly Bunch finding somebody along their journey to the beach would have been very good, but much worse would have been their chances of not finding someone when they got there.
Rose, Bernard, Frogurt and the lot make their way to the camp while Faraday has a heart-to-heart with Desmondo. Conveniently, the crash survivors have all disappeared, along with their makeshift shelters and supplies. Why?
Possible Solution: This event does not take place between the times deduced above; it takes place before the plane crash, and the writers completely forgot that Desmond was doing the Bert and Ernie thing at that time. Refute it all you'd like, it seemed pretty clear that Desmond was alone in that station, so either way there seems to be a rather large plot hole.
2) Desmond's magical mind has a unique way of synching with the main storyline. Through Lost's fractured, post-modern storytelling techniques, they've obscured the actual way in which events have unfolded. Whether you subscribe to 12 Monkeys or Back to the Future (fatalist time-travel vs. conditional), there's no discernible reason why Desmond would remember his and Faraday's Swan Station meeting three years later.
Even if your concept of time travel is, as I mentioned above, that in which the past, present and future can be changed, the result of the meeting would be that Desmond- stranded on a life raft with a fat man, spinal surgeon, well-manicured fugitive, Iraqi, recently widowed Asian, invincible baby and the purveyor of Lapidus Home-Grown Ganja- would suddenly remember. If you believe, as Faraday apparently does, that time cannot be changed, then Desmond had always met Faraday, and should never have forgotten at all.
Whatever the case, Desmond conveniently remembers the encounter three years later, which seems to be the exact time that Ben and Co. are rounding up the Oceanic Six. So not only is Desmond's brain so special that it forgets meeting Faraday altogether, but it has the power of concurrent storyline behind it. Hmm... thinking about that special power, it seems more like something you'd find in a writer. If Desmond weren't a real person, and some master wizard were writing his entire life out, as well as the lives of Jack, Kate, Ben and the others... yes, that would make a lot of sense. What's that, you say? Desmond isn't real? Someone is writing out his and everyone else's entire lives? Oh. Well, darn. At least we can all take comfort in the fact that Lost would never, ever attribute to a character the supernatural power of plot device... right?
3) Wrong. Guyliner (a.k.a Richard Alpert) is affected by Locke's Bill and Ted journey to the point where he takes him up on his offer to visit him as a small baby. At least that much makes sense. But why doesn't the Magistrate of Maybelline remember Locke in the future? Why does no one remember anyone in the future? Mental time-travel was one thing, and it was working, but physical time-travel is too problematic for anyone to handle (except Terry Gilliam and all but the last five minutes of the Denzel Washington movie Deja Vu).
While we're on the subject of St. Sephora, let's talk about his variable fashion sense. Here he is in 1954:
"Mr. Locke, what I wouldn't give to take a pencil to those eyelids!"
Here he is circa 1972:
"I think we should construct a box, Ben. It should be like, this big, and have like, anything you want in it."And here he is in 2001:
"Juliette, my duplicitous nature should be evident from the hard light in this otherwise well-lit morgue."Clearly, he was going through an experimental phase in the 70s. The Robinson Crusoe look was a really great way to blow the viewer's mind in "The Man Behind the Curtain", but since then it's been dropped, in favor of not ever giving a proper explanation. It's a good thing Lost doesn't do that a lot.
Bonus - Juliette is so hot.
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6 comments:
A couple of quick responses, since I'm at work and they frown on this sort of thing.
1. I just figured that, since they were pushing a button every 108 minutes, there would inevitably be large stretches of time when one of them was passed the fuck out, while the other went about his button-pushing.
Also, it should be pre-crash, because Desmond found out in "Live Together Die Alone" that the whole containment suit business is bull. The idea that he was thinking of pulling the same gag on his replacement seems so terribly not-Desmond.
2) This one totally bugs me, too. There's just no reason, unless the time jumpers skip several months of concurrent time in the outside world every time they go bloop.
3) Richard's clothes don't bug me. I can think of a couple explanations for this one.
First, Mr. Friendly and the boat crew pulled the whole "ragged hobos" thing the first time they showed up, as did Ms. Klugh and the decoy village. Maybe they like to make a shitty impression, so when they thought they'd be contacting Dharma-folk, they went grunge.
Second theory: between '54 and '72, Richard and his crew got their asses kicked by the US Army or the Dharma Initiative, and actually have to dress in rags. After the purge and their takeover, they ganked Dharma's little village and started using laundry machines again.
You know, just when I think I've caught everything, you come in and mention how Desmond ditched the hazmat suit for good on Crash Day. Good call.
It still stands, though, that it was very clear the writers completely forgot about Kelvin when writing that bit. The other characters wouldn't know about him, but they really set it up as though he had been living there alone for three years, which was not the case.
Eh, none of this bugs me.
1) Clancy Brown could be in the bathroom, asleep, whatever, as the previous commenter commented.
2) It doesn't make sense, but they have pre-apologized for it by repeatedly telling us that Desmond is unique and isn't bound by the rules of time-travel. So why are you trying to hypothesize a set of rules which he wouldn't break?
3) Richard's clothes and facial hair are consistently appropriate for the era in which he is living. A close cropped cut in the 50s? Long, shaggy hair in the 70s? Contemporary professional look in the Aughties? And this is supposed to be a plot hole?
Matt,
1) I was the one who mentioned that he could be asleep, or out, or whatever. After re-watching the scene, I'm convinced that the writers had forgotten about Kelvin. It's nothing concrete, I'll admit, but it left me with an uneasy and mistrustful feeling.
2) You failed to address the issue I brought up. Desmond being special explains why Faraday might have been able to use him to change the future, or whatnot, but it in no way explains why 3 years have to go by before he remembers it. Did Faraday plant some sort of time-delay function in a weird hypnosis? Why does the remembrance perfectly coincide with the Oceanic 6's main storyline? The bottom line here, as you can read above, is that no interpretation of the dialogue can yield the theory that Desmond is so special that he can leap outside the physical realm of the show, join the writers in the writers' room, and plan his storyline to coincide with everyone else's, despite it being put forth years ago.
3) Again, I think the point was missed here, and that's my fault I suppose for not being clear enough. Richard's clothes and general appearance are not a plot hole, but what they do with the character, just as with Desmond, seems a bit beyond the fourth wall to me. He remembers and forgets encounters based solely on when it's most convenient for the plot. Lost's problem is that they don't establish any rules that the plot needs to abide by or work around. Richard will remember meeting Locke when he visits him as an infant and as a child, but won't remember him when he's older. We'll just say 'he's special', and to further define that we'll say he has the supernatural ability to not contradict the second half of Season 3.
Writer: "Listen, Locke is meeting Alpert in 1954, and THAT'S THAT!"
Subservient Writer: "But booosssss..."
Writer: "No buts! I have my plot and I will make it work. What do I pay you for, anyway?"
Subservient Writer: "We'll have him forget when they meet, but from now on, totally, he'll remember all these time-travel encounters. But that one time, when they, you know, met for the first time, that doesn't count. We didn't know we were going to do this at the time. We'll say he's special."
Writer: "That's why I keep you around, you genius, you!"
Dave -
As far as #2 goes, I think you're missing the point of how Desmond is special. His brain is in a constant state of time travel. It is in both places at once so if an encounter in his "past" didn't really happen until his future than that's when it's really happening for the first time for him as well.
I understand that completely, and am willing to accept it, but what I'm wondering is why 2008? It's so utterly convenient that he should remember it exactly when the Oceanic 6 are converging again. It's something like five years after Daniel told Desmond. Desmond didn't disappear off the face of the earth after he left the island. Why did he not remember for the three years following his rescue?
This is what I'm talking about. The editing makes you think it happened instantly, but in fact it took five years. Why? It's okay if he's special, even to the point where he can change the past and/or the future. Fine. But even by Farraday's personal timeline (which puts him in January 2005), that still leaves three years. Why didn't Desmond remember when they were on the life raft? There is no connection between when Farraday intervened with Desmond and when Desmond remembered, other than editing. Seriously, watch it again. It's all in the editing
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